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Reformation Weekend

Our church is hosting a weekend of good times in honoring the Reformation and 400 years of the King James Bible. I shamelessly lifted all this cool looking stuff from the NLPCA site so it can be shared here too. Hope to see some readers there, and if you can’t make it: There Should Be A Recording of the H&S on the 28th. Details on the H&S can be found @: Hoagies & Stogies RSVP Please!

Schedule

October 28: Hoagies and Stogies (Men’s Fellowship). 

  • 6 pm New Life ($7/per man for Hoagies and Hess Brew).
  • Please RSVP at the site or http://ruberad.wordpress.com/hns/
  • Topic to be debated: Are modern translations better than the KJV?
  • Debaters: Gary Pavlovich, NLPC and Dr. Mark Strauss, Bethel Seminary

October 29: Reformation Conference (All are invited)

  • 9 am.- noon with keynote speaker Mark Strauss of Bethel Seminary and Pastor Brian Tallman
  • Topics to include The King James Version and the Politics of Bible Translation and Bible Translation and the Myth of “Literal Accuracy”

October 30: Reformation Service, Sunday evening 6pm (All are invited)

Download the flyer here.


Mormons are NOT Christians: Here’s Why 2

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Salt_Lake_Temple,_Utah_-_Sept_2004-2.jpg/220px-Salt_Lake_Temple,_Utah_-_Sept_2004-2.jpgContinuing on, I would like to repost the continuing conversation that started with Mormons are NOT Christians: Here’s Why. There is a third entry in this series, Mormons are NOT Christians: Here’s Why 3.

Let me recommend this blog: Progressing Pilgrims Anonymous for more detailed examination of the differences between LDS and Christianity.

The original forum from which all this comes is Mormons ARE Christians: Here’s Why.

  • WhatAboutThis says:

    One of our church’s statements of basic belief states that we believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it has been translated correctly. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. Also, we believe all that God has revealed, all the He does now reveal and the He will yet reveal many great and important thing pertaining to the kingdom of God.

    I’m sure that you understand that for us, the Bible a foundational book of scripture but clearly there are others. Any version of the Bible that currently exists had been through too many ungodly interpretive hands over the centuries to qualify as God’s only doctrinal link to man and to accurately deliver everything that God intended for His children to have. I recently read that our current Bibles are made up of over 1,500 documents and not one of them is an original. They are copies of interpretations of translations.

    The Nicene Creed is still being interpreted and ecumenically debated 1,500+ years later. There is a 1975 version and a 1977 version that the Catholics are finally going to accept. I also understand that many of the traditional churches have their own slightly different versions of it. If churches want to use it a foundation of their faith, that’s fine, but we don’t use it at all.

    I’m not sure which church you attend but using the same basic creed and Bible has resulted in literally thousands of different religions in the world each with their own interpretation and views of those basic building blocks. Clearly the differences are significant enough to motivate men to start another new church…Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Church of Christ…etc.

    If a person wants to belong to those churches and become a follower of Jesus Christ and live a good Christian life, that’s not a bad thing. Every person can/must exercise their own personal agency and live with the consequences of their choices.

    Another one of our beliefs…we claim the privilege of worshipping almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege. Let them worship how, where of what they may. Apparently your church does not afford mankind those same privileges without a measure of disrespect, conflict and confrontation.

    Think about it…in Biblical times when God wanted to interact with His children, he literally talked to them…sometimes in a dream, in a burning bush, face to face etc. The scripture and other historical writing of that time like the Dead Sea Scroll are literally full of that interaction. It’s His normal way of doing things.

    Yet the traditionals’ view has taken a few simple words in the Bible uttered by Jesus…It is finished…and parlayed that into an interpretation that the heaven’s are closed, revelation has ceased, God no longer talks to His children and we are now separated from God. The traditionals have placed the whole hope of their salvation on an incomplete and imperfect book and block access to anything better than that that God might want to offer.

    Does that sound reasonable to you?

    In our faith we’re encouraged to constantly validate what leaders teach with inspiration and confirmation from God. I’ll ask God if what I have just been taught is correct and I get an answer. I think more church goers of all faiths should do that. And when/if they come to an understanding that what they just heard is not correct, irrespective of the tradition that’s been taught, they need to personally act on that inspiration. The asking should be an easy thing to do but surprisingly for many, it takes a lot of moral courage. It’s like asking God directly is a form of capitulation.

    I accord unto you and any other man the privilege to worship how and when he/you wish, and NO; I won’t be scanning your church’s blogs to perpetually post derogatory and confrontive comments about your erroneous doctrine.

    If God someday deigns to give you your own personal burning bush experience and communicate with you directly even if its in a manner that your church doesn’t teach, I’d advise you to temporarily suspend your disbelief long enough to accept the invitation and listen to Him very carefully and see what He has to say to you. It can happen.

    May God bless you.

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  • Pooka says:

    The numerous divisions in the church are a result of either direct conflict over the Gospel and essential theological truth, ethnic/nationality issues including languages, social/political and any other number of influences.

    The origin of the LDS church falls in this place with the first: Gospel and Truth. They do not come from a strict, Gospel believing background. The belief that Scripture is incomplete and inaccurately translated underlines what Orthodox (traditionalist?) Christianity understands to be error, or false teaching.

    That being said, There is nothing in our books that says we are to deny you or any other belief system the right to worship as required by the belief system itself. Those who demand conformity are being just as rotten as described. The correct Christian approach should always be from a position of “I hold the truth and I want you to hear it. Please listen.”

    Not “I hold the truth and you better stop right now or else I will…” God is sovereign, not Christians. Christians have the right to discipline those who are in the Church, not those outside. The Gospel is to be proclaimed to the World, not implemented (which is actually impossible in any case since the Gospel is a message, not a to-do list).

    Manuscripts and everything else? So it’s complicated how everything came to be in Scripture. That is no more complicated than Smith having a visit from an angel (in his private moment, not in public) and translating the secret message to become the Book of Mormon. If we want to go to brass tacks, the historicity is more consistent between the myriad documents that comprise the original texts of the Bible and the Creeds of the Historic Church than the claims of the LDS church. But again, we’re willing to discuss this with you rather than come to fisticuffs over it.

    Finally, the claim that Christians are consistently the flagship for intolerance and bigotry, abusing liberty and rights in order to harm, belittle or repress other religions is only partly true. Yes, there is a history of religious persecution from the Christian Church. There is also the same from Communism, Atheism, Islam, ancient pagan religions, the Roman Empire, Catholics and just about every other major religion in history. This only proves that every man, to the man, is a sinner who puts his own evil ways before everyone else.

    I argue that tolerance and willingness to debate has largely swung opposite the historical trend in that Christians are being repressed and persecuted these days in most of our secular institutions, on the street and in their places of work. Since Christians claim to have the truth, we are branded as intolerant and suppressors of liberty. Funny how that works out when we consistently have a willingness to teach our truth, enter into dialogue with other men who do not hold our beliefs and include them in our lives. Yet to say “I’m a Bible-believing Christian” in, say a big College or at work tends to lead right into a scene that includes words like “bigot” or “persecutor.”

    Me? I am convicted that this forum, one where you can type and I can type, is what the whole religion discussion should be like. Respectful and willing to answer honestly rather than sling dirt and epithets at one another. If I cannot win you to the Truth of Christ in the Bible, so be it. It should not end in either of us becoming vicious or even resentful.

    Soli Deo Gloria


The Finney Finish

Enemies of Soul Winning

Just another short, offered today for thoughts. My desire is for clear and discerning consideration of what we do, especially in tradition. I grew up in the following, and only at 36 years of age did it ever really occur that there was something really incorrect about the Finney Finish. How long it’s been in practice is an important question, of course, but more important, is there something in Scripture that promotes the practice in question? And how willing are we to blind ourselves in order to avoid making the critical call that damns generations of “accepted religion” to the rubbish heap.

Now ask the congregation, “With heads bowed, how many can say under God, ‘I know that if I died momentarily I would go to Heaven’?” Such an approach may be used, “Now while every head is bowed, every eye is closed, no one is leaving, no one is moving, with God being our witness, those of you who can say, ‘If I died today, I know beyond any shadow of doubt that I would go to Heaven,’ would you raise your hand?”

 

 

The Finney

“This is not the only way, of course, to conduct an invitation. It may not even be the best way. To be sure, there are many other good ways. But this pastor has found through twenty-two years’ experience that this is the most profitable way for his ministry. Perhaps, some of the aforementioned suggestions will help others in inviting the unsaved to come to the Saviour. One thing is certain: We need to put more emphasis upon the public invitation in our churches.May God help us to realize that this is a life-or-death proposition. Eternity is at stake. Eternal values rest on our efficiency and the anointing of God upon our methods and upon our message. May we spend more time than the surgeon would and be more diligent than the doctor would be as we wrestle, operate and work with the immortal souls of men, women, boys and girls.”

 

This was prompted by and therefore requires thanks to Andy Naselli’s Blog via Challies’ A La Carte

Some tasty, somewhat related eye-candy:

Altar Call

 


Slightly More and Less Specific Discussion Regarding The Law Including Puritans This Time

Puritan FolksTo continue on my lines of thought (when have I ever had just one at a time?), I have a bit on the awesome Puritan question.

Note: What follows is my synthesis and impression of the whole thing based on a lot of reading and thinking. That does not imply that I’m speaking authoritatively or even accurately. If I’ve boned it up in here, I’d like to know, especially since some of my impressions of this are probably not going to receive much happy-claps from theonomists or historians. I don’t think I’ve come up with anything original, just my own opinions and words on what’s probably been hashed over by better men than me. What I did conscientiously attempt to do is avoid the ad-hominem and straw-man thing that seems to be the theonomists’ biggest beef with their detractors.

So did the Puritan utopia work out?

Nope. Here’s why I think so, and I have some references to back this up.

Something that sort of fits, a session with Albert Mohler on his Thinking In Public podcast entitled Christianity and Worldview on the Geopolitical Stage: A Conversation with Walter Russell Mead
And another is Peter Leithart’s “Defending Constantine” to which I’ve referred a little before.
And the White Horse Inn gang on The New Covenant

I understand that these are all recent, but I see that often my studies sort of circle around each other and providence is most likely involved in the curious ways external source themes arise that apply to what I’m working on.

First, the utopia ended. There must be a reason. Some will say that it was a breakdown of the covenantal union of the people in the society. Some might say that they were repressed into failure. I think, based on my reading, that more likely the system, honorable and well-intended as it was, was doomed to fail. And had it not failed in the way that it did, we’d have a little sister version of the Roman Catholic Church in our backyard. I can’t back up this last statement much, but if you read the Leithart book, you just might see the hints therein. I suspect that, rather than lending credence to the idea of theonomy being good for society, the fallout lends itself to indications that it is not feasible. Notice that I didn’t claim theonomy is outright wrong as a system of government, just that it isn’t going to work.

As Christians, we are to be peacemakers.

John 18:36: “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

Matthew 5:38-52 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.”

Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God”

God has demonstrated this policy even in the “horribly warmongering” Old Testament. He visited peace and mercy on many, many of His enemies and taught Israel the same thing. His directives for conquest and violence were not the only way our God dealt with His creation. Keep this thought in mind as I go along.

My thought here is that the colonial “theonomic” form of government failed because of doctrines, conflicts and plenty of other things that eroded the unity and integrity of the society. It proves (to me) the inability of a state of Christendom to sustain itself. If not internal strife and error, there is no question of the capitulation of leaders who had to maintain peace with their neighbors. I refer directly to the ideas discussed in the Mohler piece above. Christians of particular traditions have had to change their theological language, practice and priorities in order to coexist with the surrounding friendly, yet different groups. They have been dispersed by disease or war over and over again. Sometimes disease or war caused by their own systems.

I’d hazard a guess that, in fact, to militantly adhere to the idea of theonomic society is to promote conflict. The idea that God’s law should be the standard for a secular government implies a call for Christians to “bear arms” for their faith-society which results in Christians dying for their faith – sort of. I mean that martyrs in the Biblical sense won’t be made, rather something more similar to extremist “martyrs” today. I do not write this in order to stir up or provoke, it is frankly how I see it. If you take unregenerates, give them God’s Law, they at most become a legalistic system that unavoidably has a skewed understanding of the what-and-why of the whole thing. Compare to what happened in Oslo recently. Extrapolate to what other, non-Biblical cultures have developed for their systems of law and the philosophy of action that ensues (extremists are not all that extreme if you take the Biblical concept of total depravity).

Look, Christians are pictured as humble, suffering people who are at peace, as much as possible, with all and who submit to not only their elders but the states to which they belong. It should not be wrong to think that a Christian can fight to defend his land and people from danger – nobody has said he cannot do this. But for him to arm and fight against politics and philosophies? Are those not the battle of the church, whose weapon is the Word of God?

Romans 12:14-21 “Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

In reading Leithart’s Constantine, it is apparent that in creating a society that is entirely under God’s law, both cult and culture – church and politics, war is going to erupt or compromise is going to be engaged. It is apparent that the theonomic ideology is flawed, not because God’s Law is abrogated or obsolete, rather because it was not codified as a government system with the pagan world in mind. In fact, the only way for God’s law to work might be if one loks to the millennium of dispensational theology wherein, after the tribulation, 1,000 years of the good-life is happening on Earth as a “restored” literal kingdom under Christ the King (which, of course, is not restored in any sense, since there hasn’t been a literal physical kingdom of Christ anywhere in temporal history).

Let me say it again. The failure of theonomy is not that God’s Law is wrong. It is actually the fact that God’s Law is prescribed in morals for all of God’s children. The penal system was for Israel. There is, however, a corresponding penal system for the Church which is known as church discipline which is carried out in the context of the church, never the state, nor from the church to the state.

Another recent discussion of the Law issue is this one from the White Horse Inn: “Why Can’t I Own Canadians?”


Still Thinking On Theonomy

Crusaders from the Middle AgesI dealt with some initial thoughts on theonomy last week. I have refinements and more questions today.

Simply for reference (and fun), I found this site that has A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments). This is not to indicate that I’m about to “prove” the silliness of theonomy or some such foolishness. In fact, I think I’m closer to agreeing with at least a semblance of theonomology (did I make that up just now?) after a bit more consideration.

Here’s what I find myself agreeing with:

God’s moral law, that which has been around all along in the hearts of men is not to be discarded in light of Christ’s New Covenant. The NC validates the Law in this respect. Christ didn’t teach a new law, rather spent plenty of his time (most of it) giving further explanation of what it means to obey as well as know what is really being commanded.

Now, having said all that, I cannot come to agreement on the penal system. This is difficult to argue because of the blanket either-or arguments that Bahnsen & co. present. It comes from my presupposition of how Christians interface with the pagan world, which I also perceive is analogous to some extent with Israel’s interface with the rest of mankind. Namely, only in a Bible-believing theocracy can the law of God be enforced in the manner in which the Torah describes. Only Israel could enforce, via the penal code of the Law, the Law on Only Israel. They could not hold outsiders to the Law. They could certainly proclaim the Law and call all men to repentance, faith and obedience, but they could not start waving the rod in disciplinary action. Furthermore, in the days of Israelite exile (or occupation as with the Romans), Israel couldn’t even execute discipline on her own people due to local rules.

The church of Christ is in the same position today and has been all along, with periodic exceptional circumstances (such as Puritan colonists). We are not a theocratic government/country. We are an embassy to a foreign government. In order to execute corporate discipline such as defined in the OT, we would need to extradite Christian offenders to Heaven (current country from which we hail) for said punishment. And we cannot, as ambassadors, demand that our government’s laws be copied by the government to whom we are ambassing (I made that word up too). 

Here is an ideal reference for Church Discipline as it is to occur today. I’m referring to the PCA Book of Church Order:

27-4. The power which Christ has given the Church is for building up, and not for destruction. It is to be exercised as under a dispensation of mercy and not of wrath. As in the preaching of the Word the wicked are doctrinally separated from the good, so by discipline the Church authoritatively separates between the holy and the profane. In this it acts the part of a tender mother, correcting her children for their good, that every one of them may be presented faultless in the day of the Lord Jesus. Discipline is systematic training under the authority of God’s Scripture. No communing or non-communing member of the Church should be allowed to stray from the Scripture’s discipline.

Boiling this down to what should amount to a reality check, I am still convinced that we can only compel our own household to adhere to God’s Moral Law and that only by the instituted discipline in the New Testament (I.E. what we recognize as Church Discipline today – teaching, exhortation, excommunication). No beatings or stonings, eye-for-eye or monetary restitution. We can’t do that because it is not given to us by the government that is hosting us. We’re not free from the law of the world in this sense. Though our freedom in Christ lifts us from the penalty of sin and also frees us from the compulsion of this world’s rule that we must break God’s Moral Law (sin), we are not “not of this world” as the bumper sticker goes. We’re in it and stuck with it ’til Christ returns. And He is going to engage the sword to punish lawbreakers.

Final argument: sin twists the Law to its own end. The unregenerate will not comply with the law in a manner that is positive. He hates God and God’s Law (see how it is written on his heart and how he strives to break it every moment of every day?). The godless is lawless in the sense that he denies the truth and authenticity of the moral law. Since this is so, demanding that he obey it, let me time-travel into the future where there is a reconstructed theocratic society as Postmil folk seem to expect will happen. That lawless man will benefit nothing from the penalty communicated to him because he denies the validity of the law he broke. He doesn’t recognize the authority therefore will not accept the punishment, whether you kill him, beat him, take his money or his left hand.

Christian martyrs do the same thing. We deny the punishment of this world’s laws when they are ungodly. Paul, James, Peter and all the others got the sword of this world and counted it as no punishment. Their torture and deaths were invalid from a worldly perspective. Similarly, a Wiccan will take the punishment that a Christian deals and count himself a martyr for his faith – death for his beliefs. Look, here is an equation:

God’s code is written (hard code) on the hearts of all men.

All men have hearts that are twisted, dead in sin.

God’s code has been twisted in the twisted hearts of men.

The unbeliever will use the essence of the Law, taking all the commitment, submission, integrity and glory of a righteous, obedient life in Christ and point it at himself. He will not accept punishment for disobeying the Law because it is not his law and he did not convict himself of breaking the law. It is alien and cannot compel. Only the Word of God, with the power Spirit of God will change the lawless man to view and accept the code as it was originally written. Which then changes the equation above.

God’s code is written (hard code) on the hearts of all men.

Some men have hearts that are twisted, dead in sin renewed, dead to sin.

God’s code has been twisted in the twisted  validated in the renewed hearts of  those men.

Okay, so in closing this session on theonomy, I think I have said that Christians are morally obligated to uphold the Moral Law. I have not said Christians are to uphold all the particular details provided to Israel in further episodes of lawgiving (I.E. the 10 Commandments in their root form is all I’m discussing at this point). I have said that the world of unbelievers is not to be compelled by Christians to adhere to the law. I have not said Christians cannot teach the law or encourage obedience. I have said that we cannot punish in accordance with the OT penal code. I have not said we cannot punish Christian lawbreakers at all, only that we may punish via prescribed church discipline.

I hope this brings me closer to a fair view of the Law and kinder approach to theonomy. I’ll continue study as I’m working my way through Bahnen’s books.

Here is another Theonomy reference I discovered
And here is one on Church Discipline from Reformed.org.


Going Back To Babel

The sermon today was on Genesis 10:1 through 11:26. The center of the passage in 11:1-9 pulls the preceding and following sections together into a tight story that is packed with valuable theology.

Further focusing in to 11:4-5 is where I was struck most.

“Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.’ And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the children of man had built.”

We’re always attempting to return to this passage. Always going back to Babel. Throughout history, it’s the same theme of making God in our image, becoming pagan over and over again. I remember saying almost the same thing as a witch.

“Let us come together, united in this worship that we’ve created for these gods we have created. Let us make a pact of faithful devotion to each other in this unity. In it we’ll find community and validation of our beliefs and practice that will protect us from others’ attempts to dissuade or stop us from our pursuit.”

Funny how men create for themselves the very thing God has made for us in His own commands and institutions. He made that unity for us in the garden. He again set that unity and community before us following the flood. He created it in Israel, that unity and insulation of the priests and tabernacle. Again with the kings, God capitulated to the desires of His people yet through this still provided that Name and Brotherhood that we have needed all along. Christ’s work provided a final setting for us in time where we are united together in Him. And this, of course, looks forward to our ultimate and perfected unity in the new Heaven and Earth.

In the meantime, it appears we will face the endless temptation to return to Babel. And we must look at the world around us and where we can find places in which Babel is rising again, when possible we must fight to disperse them. Liberalism appears to be a divisive thing that separates us and frees people to “worship as they truly believe” as individuals. This is but another unity of pagans, another Babel being built with the bricks of personal rights and feelings. Equity among the sexes and freedom of cultural, philosophical or sexual beliefs are obviously centers of unification for the masses. Even the obstinacy of conservatives is a tower that reaches to the heavens.

Do we most often look back on the stories of the Bible and quietly shudder in revulsion? Are we grateful like the pharisee casting furtive glances at the tax collector as he thanks God with all his heart that he is not like that man in the corner who beats at his chest in misery? Do we see the men of Babel as some deeply malignant shadows of humanity? Or do we see ourselves right there with the builders just as we perhaps see ourselves standing round the tree atop the Hill of the Skull unified in support of the dark festivities there?

There is one place for unity that is not pagan, that does not place man above God or place gods in place of God. That is in Christ’s Church, the church that believes and teaches the Holy Scriptures, the Gospel and strives to only unite under the Truth in Love. Of course, there I see the theme that the church does save, at least it certainly is the sustenance of salvation in Time. God brings us to faith in the Church and keeps us in the faith through the Church. And He unites us in His Son in His Church.

 

 


Are We Still Responsible to The Law's Demands?

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. – Galatians 3:16-18


JSYK
Don’t get me wrong,

I’m not even touching on the possibility
that we can keep the Law for our salvation -
Sola Fide, dude.

So, I don’t doubt that my argument here can be refuted by someone more educated and intelligent than I am. I’ll go with it anyway though I insist that readers not treat this as an exhaustive coverage of my position. I’m not entirely situated on a side, nor am I filled to the brim with decisional data for either side. It’s time to at least start squaring the corners and so…

The question has been itching in my head for some time and it needs scratching. Is the Law, in its specific directives and consequences, the norm by which Christians should live and how governments should operate?

Or are believers to look to the New Testament words of Christ for our guidance in moral and ethical activity. In Bahnsen’s “Theonomy In Christian Ethics” the argument is presented that Christ (and following apostles) intended to reiterate the Old Testament Law in its original particulars.

I have a couple of problems with this. First off, the practical/reasonable issue: Too much cultural correction has to be made in order for the OT system to endure outside the Jewish world of yesteryear. I don’t think I need to go into specifics – just read through Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Also, if the Law is still the guiding principle of practice and ethics for believers, has this theme held up consistently throughout history after Christ instituted the church. If it hasn’t, then in light of this disparity it seems very difficult to accept claims that entire swaths of the last two thousand years’ churches are a-scriptural or antinomian. Granted, my reading of Church history is still barely getting underway, but so far I haven’t heard much about this particular trend of Law remaining.

Next, clear direction from Scripture. I don’t see where we can still be under the Law and its penal system when Christ taught in Matthew 5 that “anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart” – we should be dealing out the penalty to just about every man alive. I know this may sound silly, but think about it. Christ throws the law in our face just the way it should be thrown: in order to convince us that we’re in a hopeless state unless He is our Savior.

Granted, the basic laws of the Decalogue stand as proper guidance. Don’t murder, don’t steal etc. Those are DUH items and Christ reiterates them (with frosting). Note that, however, He does not maintain the penalties associated with these laws. Christ instead pays the penalties on the cross and then offers us sweet release from the continuing penalties: we confess our sins now, and He forgives us (1st John 1:9).

Here’s where I’m thinking: Those laws and penalties are not explicit for today because

  1. We’re not in a theocracy ruled by religious heads.
  2. Christ handed out the keys to His kingdom church-wise – in otherwards, access through the Gospel, not through enforcing the Law.
  3. Christ also directed authority to the secular government, not restoring the Law as His opponents had hoped (Luke 20)

Can we expect the secular world to comply with God’s Old Testament Law? Can we demand that the government take its cues from Moses and tailor the penal code to match that of a theocratic society? I don’t think so. The Law, specifically the OT Law was given to the Jews in their own context, in their part of the Bible narrative. It was their guardian and judge. We saw (and see today) what comes of Pharisees and their ilk. The Law is doomed to be misapplied and twisted in the hands of men. Well intentioned or not, it does not endure as a valid system of ethics and practice, either for justification or for obedience. I suspect that there’s a hermeneutical error in here somewhere: In missing the big contextual picture of the story of Israel, there’s a literalistic approach to the Law (at least, it appears to me).

It’s a great check-and-balance for Christians today, as far as the relevant parts go (Decalogue), but are we bound to the actual wording and particular instances of the Old Law? Applying it to worldly governments is certainly not workable – since when do pagans want to or care about the Law? In an ideal world that was Christian in culture, the Law would be workable and the government could mete out the penal system; unfortunately for the Law, in an ideal world we would not need to worry about the penal system because we’d all be Christians and obedient. 

The argument that makes claims based on Christ’s words in Matthew 5:17-20 doesn’t fly well either: It’s looking at the Law in regards to justification. Reword here, if I may: “If you choose to claim the Law as your path to righteousness, it will not ever go away nor will it change. You’ll be bound to it and do much better than the Pharisees if you think it’s going to get you into Heaven. How much better? As good as ME, The Son Of God.” If I read this passage in error, correct me ASAP, but if I read it correctly, there’s nothing that says the OT Law continues today as our conscience-binding LITERAL operating procedure.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. – Galatians 3:21-26

As a sort of closing comment, I think that we need to look at hope. In Christ is our hope. We need that hope. I think that, to remain under the particular Law as our unmoving standard for practice and ethics is to dance too near the edge of hope. We hope in Christ and His righteousness and the demands of this brand of Law, especially with the requisite penalties, I think ask too much. Better to heap burning coals on their heads, Paul style. Moral? Yes. literal? No.

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Here is some resource material I’ve scanned:

Applying The Old Testament Law Today

The Covenant of Grace: A Key To Understanding The Bible

Preach Only To Some? An elderly blog post from a good friend at church who has been encouraging me to work through this whole issue carefully.

Theonomy from Third Millenium Ministries

The Westminster Confession of Faith: A Theonomic Document? By Dr. Ligon Duncan. 

Monergism has tons of stuff to wade through.


The Importance of Sacraments

RCC Baptism In Progress

Can the sacraments of Baptism and the Lord’s Supper be overstressed? Of course they can. It’s apparent in the beliefs that center on Baptism being salvific or regenerative or in the Supper that implies the actual physical consumption of Christ’s blood and flesh. The list of extremes goes on a bit from there but I’ll hang my hat at this point. Also, I’m not going to go all through the details of baptism and the Supper – that’s not the point here, so when I speak on the importance and meaning of these two, I am not including all that is implied in the Reformed view of the sacraments.

On the other hand, is it just as possible to under stress them? And if so, which is worse? Overdoing it or minimizing the importance sacraments? I’m leaning toward thinking the greater of the two evils is putting  Baptism and the Supper down at the bottom of importance. I’ll qualify that by remembering Baptism doesn’t save, which hopefully isn’t easy to miss in previous posts here at LAH.

Take a look at this, from a church in Wichita, Kansas: Lord’s Supper Fallacies.

And this is from the Southern Baptist Convention’s Basic Beliefs:

Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water. …It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer’s faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer’s death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.

I think responses to the overdone Roman Catholic idea of baptism (as well as perhaps that of the Pentecostal idea that the H.S. indwells at baptism) have some responsibility for the loss of sacramental weight in the church. In addition to that, superficial study of the Scriptures certainly could lead to conclusions that make the sacraments to be little more than obedience and memorial. I’d rather deal with someone over-dosing on grace than to lose it altogether. Therefore (at risk of my own neck, theologically speaking), I’ll hazard that receiving the sacraments as a phased imparting of grace is safer than the dead works of cold obedience.

RCC Communion In Progress

Here are some references via Biblos, one of my favorite online resources: Baptism Occurrences.

I’d like to mention what convinced me of the inaccuracy concerning ordinances of my youth in the church.

  • The heavy weight of coming to terms with infant-baptism demanded much reading and thinking. 
  • My family and I were joining a church that greatly stressed the importance of the sacraments.
  • In reading through historical Christian works, I kept encountering well developed indications that there has always been more to baptism and the Supper than I’d been taught growing up.
  • It just seemed difficult to really accept that the two ceremonies instituted by Christ should mean so little to individual and corporate Christianity.

One big thing I’ve been thinking about lately is assurance. The sermon series in the evenings at our church is working through Acts. There is plenty about baptism in Acts and so plenty of opportunity to think about the point. Our pastor has banged away at this over and over again: we have these sacraments not just as memorials and rituals of obedience but as concrete assurances. We are certain that God is for us, loves us and cares for us by the promises in baptism and the Supper. We can look back to our baptism as God’s claim on us and look forward to the fulfilment of His claiming us at the End. We can put our trust in Him as He never fails to provide the Supper for us, a (weekly, in our case) meeting place where we commune with Christ.

There is hope and assurance in these ceremonies which, though they do not save or make us more holy, do serve to keep us – preserve us in our memories and hopes and present state.  To reduce baptism to a simple act of obedience makes nothing more than a new law and it is neither not redemptive nor representative of the Gospel. Conversely, if we switch views around and see that God, through His minister and the Church, is baptizing us into Christ’s Church and marking us with the promises (covenant) that He makes, is that not grace? The first version leaves the burden on us — we have gained nothing through baptism. In the latter, we have gained everything — the promises, place and hope of the Church and redemption.

The same situation goes for the Supper. If we deny everything but the tombstone memory of a Savior broken and slain for our sins, what does that for us? We don’t need a ceremony for that — there are hymns and Scriptures for that. Why not just read the crucifixion for 15 minutes every Sunday. If we switch views as with baptism, why not see God the Father, through His minister and the Church, bringing us to the Table with our Lord and Savior to fellowship in spirit (through the Spirit) over the grace and mercy we have in Him as Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father? Is that not grace when we are assured that we have a place waiting for us?

I believe that these themes are especially important in this age of electronic mist and passing information. The physical world is becoming less and less important to many (if not most) of us. Because of this, we show up in church on Sunday to consume data, regurgitate a few disposable MP3 songs together and then file it all away until next week. We go home no more confident in our God’s promises than 6 months ago or a decade ago. Unless the mind and spirit, the intangible realm are brought to us in the physical through some medium.


The End of the Sacraments?

If we miss the great importance of the centrality of the church and her proper administrations, we certainly can lose the value and validity of baptism (as well as the Supper). This makes it all too easy to classify the sacraments as ceased along with sign-gifts like healing and tongues. In fact one thing that stands out is that Christ didn’t tell the apostles, in the Great Commission to “baptize and heal” but just baptize. And so, healing as a sign-and-testament to the veracity of the preacher’s Gospel is gone.

It’s hard to see the similarity between the cessation of circumcision and baptism, much as I can’t make the end of feasts/ceremonial calendars jive with an end to the Lord’s Supper. That is, unless we dismiss the church as the Body of Christ, established and visible. It’s public and so not all that occurs is absolutely spiritual, invisible and experiential. There’s objectivity in the physical. Think Real Life (RL) versus Virtual Life (VL). You can hack one, misrepresent and manipulate it. But RL has objective concretes which (though moderns and relativists try otherwise) can’t be dismissed. So God works through His creation and through the Spirit to create a full-orbed reality.

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

One argument is that there is “One Baptism” and that it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Fortunately, this can’t stand because Christ didn’t tell the apostles to (baptize with) administer the Holy Spirit. He told them to baptize (with water) disciples. This wasn’t even a revolutionary commandment since the practice had been in force in some form prior to Christ’s incarnation in the first place. Post-Acts lack of reference to water, whether sprinkling or immersion has no bearing in the discussion as it was normative to baptize. Baptism is assumed, if you will.

I’d like to refer to the two long-standing documents that helped me to most make sense of the lasting value and importance of baptism: Calvin’s Institutes “Of Baptism” and Westminster Confession “Of Baptism”. These make much more of baptism (in accordance with what sure seems to be solid Scriptural reference) than the idea that it is a plain profession or hoop to jump in the process of becoming officially-socially Christian.

I’m a convinced paedo, but I’m not greatly interested in the can-o-worms that pops when we get into the fight over which is correct. Mode is even less worth treatment as an important controversy. But a suggestion that water baptism is nulled just can’t work. The argument using “one” baptism seems to miss the fact that God is working through an outward sign of an inward reality. Baptism = entry into the visible, known church (temporal) wherein Spirit Baptism is entry into the Spiritual Kingdom (eternal).

I think, in the end, that the new ideas that hyper-dispensationalism adds to theology are just  more evidence of the precarious stand on the edge of the correct Gospel that dispensationalism, in general, maintains. The theology in many cases (NOT ALL) has ranged so far from historical agreement that even orthopraxy is becoming unrecognizeable. It’s becoming like the discussion of Roman Catholic Believers in which I’ve engaged many times – Yes, there are truly faithful believers, Elect, in the R.C.C. but they’re not the norm, but the exception and we can actually pray hard for those redeemed souls to flee for the safety of the real church.

Dispensational and mainstream Evangelical churches aren’t quite there, but I can’t be the only one who sees the dulled memorialistic-ordinance, personal-relationship, experience-oriented, pharisaical-teaching, church-demeaning symptoms of a religion slowly losing the life-changing Gospel.

That’s the end of the real talking

All this stems from a discussion wherein I couldn’t help but pipe up leads to this post regarding baptism. If I was wrong in my reading of the thread this came from, it’s one thing, but the problem still needs addressing whether specifically there or not. In further reading, apparently the issue is Hyper-Dispensationalism, which puts Paul in as a replacement for previous apostolic practices and teaching. That such a theory has any grab on protestants is indicative of how far we’ve gone from the center of truth. But I’m not here to argue that part, but the particulars of the Sacraments’ continuation.

If I tweak feathers, especially at the end, I humbly admit that I’m saddened to come to the conclusions I’ve reached, but it’s not something I’ll dismiss. Offense not intended, though my honest perception is intended. Nor is my thinking here merely a door for proclaiming the PCA or denomination-I-like spiffiness. I am sad to listen to Pirate Christian Radio or Albert Mohler and see time and again the depths of disparity between what the Bible says and what churches who claim to cleave to the Bible say.


Escape Evangelicalism Or Reform Part 3

Carried over from Part 2.
Part 1 is here.

I don’t think we can ditch. Aren’t the Reformed still Evangelical? Aren’t Baptists from a history of devout believers? Just because either of these two camps have masses of stumbling congregations or tinkering leaders, should it be exit time? Even if there are waves of apostasy running through them, should we can the whole operation and become Catholics or worse (and I know I’m exaggerating). Writing off Evangelicalism just doesn’t seem the right way to me. Reforming it does. Rather than looking for a new religion that deviates just a little, and is off the grid, I think we should tackle the problem instead, before it does become high-time to run for the hills as with the Episcopals and the PCUSA. That’s the real sign that things are at the bottom.

Should we head off congregation that has the marks but with a big problem in the middle? In doing so, is it okay to convert to a different set of beliefs concerning salvation and sacraments that doesn’t jive with what we left behind?

I think, rather, that we should keep the mess, come at it with sound doctrine and grace in order to clean it up. If it’s one church at a time, so be it. I want others to know the joy of a Biblical church. What’s better than a church family that gathers around the Word and the Table, celebrating the freedom we have in Christ?

Here are some who are, in different ways, working on making that difference publicly.
Table Talk Radio
Fighting For The Faith
White Horse Inn
Albert Mohler

Those are just a few of my favorite things. I picked them because they’re podcasts and easy to follow. Funniest is, they’re from across the spectrum. Two Lutheran shows, a quartet of theologians from Baptist, Reformed and Lutheran spheres, and the President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

And you know what they’re all doing? Know what they are calling for?

Return to the Marks. Go back to the beginning. The Gospel, no frills. The Table, all the time. Discipline, courageously, passionately, lovingly. Just that. No more dollars under the seat, rock-star worship, outreach outreach outreach without in-reach in-reach in-reach. I heard somebody say, or maybe read it recently, “we need to pull back in and clean up the church before we head out to clean up the culture.”

I think that’s right on. If Christ isn’t in His Church, we can’t expect to bring Him out to the rest of the world.


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